Kirked

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Katherine Coble and her husband are having problems with a company called J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk“. Whether it’s J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk“, whatever you want to call it, it’s just bad form (not to mention, unwise) to sue a popular internet writer over a report about their company that isn’t libelous.

You’re only going to draw more attention to a report that certainly sounds like a scam, a fraud, a rip-off, or a con. Because the next time that someone googles J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk“, they can’t help but be directed to Katherine Coble’s commentary about how she and her husband felt like they were almost caught in a scam, a fraud, a rip-off, or a con.

Not that I’m implying that J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk” are a scam, a fraud, a rip-off, or a con, I’m simply saying that their reported behavior certainly raises some red flags about J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk” and their reported activities because they are similar to those of other companies who are scams, frauds, rip-offs, or cons.

BTW, never, under any circumstances*, ever pay a headhunter or a job placement firm to find you a job.

Also, Just in case Katherine Coble’s post about J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk” should ever disappear from the web, just remember that Google is forever.

(*Okay, not “any circumstances” but those circumstances apply to so few people that you know if you’re at a level and in a field where you need an agent.)

OTHERS, including:
Instapundit
Bill Hobbs
Say Uncle
NiT

MORE:
The Zero Boss Kirked: v, tr. – “to have your reputation ruined for trying to stifle a blogger’s free speech.”
QandO: How to ruin your business in one easy step
Better Business Bureau
Rex Hammock offers sage advice.
The Urban Dictionary: kirk: “To go crazy, to flip out, to wig out.”
Lynnster
Home Ec 101

Oh, heck. I’m going to bed. Newscoma’s got all the links.

UPDATE: I’ve written more on the subject here: Don’t squeeze water balloons

Also: Welcome, Insta-Fark-Captain Ed/et. al, readers. Feel free to look around while you’re in the neighborhood.

2nd UPDATE: Be sure to read what Roger referenced here.

3rd UPDATE: PayPal, Book Deal? and keep up with the latest.

4th UPDATE: Legal Fight.

5th UPDATE: Meet Kirk Leipzig! The owner of J. L. Kirk Associates is speaking to the Nashville chapter of the Nashville Association of Woman Business Owners on April 26th at the Sunset Grill . Could be a lively discussion.

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76 Responses to “Kirked”

  1. Number9 Says:

    You know it is bad when your company name becomes an Internet verb in less than six hours. I think they “Kirked” themselves.

  2. Roger Abramson Says:

    I for one am quite impressed with their Internet savvy. Obviously am “career specialist” firm fot the 21st century.

  3. Lynnster Says:

    This might be my favorite blog post ever in the world, ever.

    (Honestly, you didn’t have to pull out the big guns just because I have been complimenting Roger and Sean so much lately… kidding.)

    Seriously, my hat is SO off to you, Bill H., and so many others today, and this in particular is most excellent.

  4. Jim Durbin Says:

    funny. For better SEO, if one were so inclined, under the new google rules, the anchor text makes a big difference in searches, which means that if you link, say, the jl kirk website under the words, scam, con, or fraud, people searching for those words would bring up that site.

    If one were so inclined.

  5. Citizen Deux Says:

    Wow! Very, very good. The internet has once again shown the people to be the most fortunate benefactor of its power.

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  7. Chuck Pelto Says:

    TO: Bob
    RE: This Interesting Case

    The law firm that is representing J. L. Kirk & Associates, or Kirk Associates, or JL Kirk, or JLK, or JLK-A, or sometimes just “Kirk”, King & Ballow, seem to prepared a ‘comment’ paper on First Amendment. You know, freedom of this, freedom of that, Freedom of Speech.

    I’m curious to see the contents of that paper, as it might pertain to Freedom of Speech. I’m curious as to how they interpret such a freedom, that we hold so dear.

    However, they want $119 to see their paper.

    Does anyone have a copy of this paper that we might see some extracts?

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)

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  11. amy Says:

    awesome. still laughing out loud at this.

  12. Suburban Turmoil Says:

    Seriously. This is awesome. Oh shit, am I going to be sued now, too?

  13. Tim Says:

    I have to agree with the never pay a headhunter. Every reputable headhunter who has ever contacted me has been of the “fee paid by company, of course. We are not a ripoff agency, we get paid when you sign the dotted line.”

    Yes, they are working for the companies. They are trying to provide a valuable commodity to the company (YOU!) And I never noticed it affecting my offers, other than you need to be sure that when the headhunter asks “What will it take to get you to move?” that the answer you get is the amount you want, because that is what he will take to the company.

  14. Kirk Parker Says:

    This is very distressing. I wonder if I can sue J.L. whats-there-name for bringing disrepute on my good name???

  15. newscoma Says:

    Good for you, Bob.
    This was great.

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  17. Rachel Says:

    Nice work, Bob.

  18. Donna Locke Says:

    I bet the next communication from them will be along the lines of “Kirk out.”

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  20. JLK Says:

    eh…er….can someone help me get this toothpaste back in the tube?

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  22. rexblog.com: Rex Hammock’s weblog » Blog Archive » Bloggers and the lawyers who order them to remove posts Says:

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  23. John Lynch Says:

    KIRKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. Bruised Orange » Kirk Leipzig: A Captain Ahab for the 21st Century Says:

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  26. Rob Huddleston Says:

    Bob -

    Simply awesome post! J.L. Kirk might wants to learn him some information on that there Interweb thingy.

    Cheers,

    Rob

  27. Alphecca » New Verb in Town! Says:

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  28. Marlowe Says:

    Hahahaha…Excellent!!! Good on you, mate.

  29. palad Says:

    Your blog post needs more hyperlinks.

  30. Scott Says:

    Connnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

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  32. Dave Says:

    And you have made it to http://www.fark.com/

    D

  33. Pink Kitty Says:

    Bob,
    You’ve been farked. Front page on fark.com that is.

  34. fark ftw Says:

    hey that blog entry needs more links!

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  36. jacobprimo Says:

    Considering the millions of fark readers now seeing this post. I think the Kirk might be farked. Maybe they can change their name Scotty or Sulu.

  37. Miss O'Hara Says:

    This has got to be one of the best blog posts in the annals of the blogosphere.

    Should “Kirked” now be Wikipedia’d?

  38. newscoma Says:

    Bob, you should read the comments over at Fark. You have become an a Google Bomb Rock Star.

  39. Afecks Says:

    The only thing I hate worse than scammers are self-righteous blogger twats that want to flex their perceived social power every time something offends them.

    Please tell me where the scam is. The bitch went to an interview, the associate answered all her questions. Then the blogger bitch went home to feed her 8 cats, insert her ass cheeks into the chair grooves and make snarky comments about her office decorations, including a quilt that she bought from a charity to help the victims of 9/11.

    Meanwhile blogger bitch’s friends have achieved maximum suction on her ass and begin to smooch. Even when the associate shoots her down, blogger bitch’s friends and random anti-corporate hippies ignore the ownage and continue as if they didn’t just get a shit sandwich on rye served to them.

    In summary, fuck all bloggers, you claim to seek truth and justice but when you’re wrong and someone hands you your ass, you never admit it.

    [Ed: I don't normally allow this kind of language on my site, but this I let through the filter because I thought it was enlightening.]

  40. Busy Mom Says:

    Bob Krumm – Linkmeister Extraordinarire, my hero.

  41. Busy Mom Says:

    Busy Mom – not a typist “extraordinaire”

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  44. Pink Kitty Says:

    I think Afecks is upset because he has submitted headlines to fark for years and they’ve never been greenlit.

  45. Busy Mom Says:

    Wow, Afecks is everywhere today. Must be sitting in the grooves of his chair.

  46. Charlie (Colorado) Says:

    Heh.

  47. Charlie (Colorado) Says:

    Don’t forget that Kirk, was previously known as Bernard Haldane and Associates, Haldane and Associates, or even just Haldane,

  48. Bob Jones Says:

    I have never seen so many needless hyper-links in my life. You DO NOT have to hyper-link every other word if they all go to the same place! Sheesh… :)

  49. Example #6,732 of why it’s generally a bad idea to sue a blogger | seattleduck Says:

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  50. Political Mavens » Threatening to Sue Bloggers and the Impact of the Internet Says:

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  51. Afecks Says:

    I apologize for using profanity on a blog post advocating freedom of speech. I was stupid to think that freedom of speech applied to all words instead of just the words that don’t offend you.

    To the editor, thanks for letting it through anyways. You probably just did it to show you have some integrity unlike most bloggers. Point well made, sir.

  52. Gwedd Says:

    Wonderful,

    I now have a new question for the crossword game:

    Q: What’s a four-letter word for ‘scum-sucking bottom dweller’?

    A: kirk

    heh. So sue me.

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  54. LittleRock Says:

    Let me also state that the principal with this company is named Kirk Leipzig. Upon meeting him I asked him how the name “J.L. Kirk” was created. He told me that the “J.L.” stands for “Jesus is Lord”.

    If I am lying, I am dying.

  55. Tantor Says:

    I ran into Bernard Haldane after I got my MBA and was learning how to get a job. I’d already run into one headhunter who wanted to charge me for the privilege of allowing him to look for a job for me but I was pretty surprised when the headhunter at Haldane said that they would market me to employers for three thousand bucks. Whoa!

    Now, twenty years later, I’m still wondering who’s gonna pay a headhunter three big ones to find a job for him.

  56. Kat Coble Says:

    He told me that the “J.L.” stands for “Jesus is Lord”.

    And you know, those of us Little Lebowski Urban Acheivers have a saying, borrowed from John Turturro’s character, Jesus Quintana.

  57. Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Blog Archive » Another Idiot Law Firm Trying to Become an Internet Verb Says:

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  58. LittleRock Says:

    Called the assigned complaint investigator with the Arkansas Attorney General’s office to see if they were still interested in pursuing charges against the individuals responsible for the Little Rock office. Waiting to hear back from them…

  59. dan Says:

    Quote from the original this entry links to:
    And I think that’s exactly what this placement firm did to us today. There were times when I felt like I was sitting across from a spider.

    So… why did they hand over a check? If it is that easy to take $5000 from them, I don’t see much in mental strength. What happened to this great game plan they had?

    But for any potential job seekers out there, like Krumm said: If you don’t already KNOW you need a headhunter, then you probably don’t, and won’t. If you’re in an industry or position where you do, then you’ll know it. There’s a reason these firms call themselves “Executive Placement Agencies.” If you’re not an executive who needs placement, you don’t need a headhunter.
    Headhunters ARE used car salesman: they take a job off of somebody else’s hands and fill it for them. This doesn’t mean people aren’t satisfied on all sides of the deal, but it does mean use some common sense.

  60. Kat Coble Says:

    It appears that Afecks, who hates Jimmy page, has decided to start a new blog with the prosaic title of “F— All Bloggers”.

    He does not care for me or what I stand for.

    I remain in eager anticipation of his opinion on Robert Plant.

  61. newscoma Says:

    I was going to add that Afecks and I have Jimmy Page were one in the same. Jimmy left the same comment over at my house.

  62. Rachel Says:

    Dan,
    If you read the post, they did not “hand over a check.”

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  66. anonymous Says:

    Digg it up, friends.

  67. Bob Krumm » Her name is Crystal Gail Mangum Says:

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  71. Unknown Professor Says:

    Hahahaha!

    This made my day (actually, my whole week).

    Unfortunately I now have to clean my monitor, since I was drinkink coffee when I read it.

    There’s a quote that’s been attributed to a lot of folks that goes “Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel”. In the internet age, it holds even truer, since electrons are a lot cheaper than ink.

  72. bob Says:

    “The interviewer left us alone in the room to digest the booklet on our own terms”

    A common sales tactic is to bug and monitor those type of rooms. This is sop at auto dealerships, health cubs, furniture stores and just about any similar sales businesses. So while your discussing “the deal” with your wife the scumbag salesperson is listening in.
    “strict limit of 5 coins per order”
    “call within the next 10 minutes”

  73. Bob Krumm » Kirk goes offline Says:

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  75. krazykat Says:

    When I first went to JL Kirk Associates, I had never heard of any company like them. My story is probably pretty common; I was downsized from an automobile maker in Michigan. My wife and I researched many cities and thought Nashville would be a good place to settle with our two high school-aged kids. We were right and wrong.

    I had contacted every headhunter and recruiter in the area and had widened my search as far as Birmingham, Alabama and Memphis – and still unsuccessful. This is not to say that I didn’t have interviews, I did. I was interviewed by companies who were not prepared to pay even HALF my former salary, and given I possess a masters degree and twenty plus years management experience, the entire situation was demoralizing to say the least. One company I interviewed with was a referral from one of the recruiting/headhunter firms. When I got to the interview the HR person told me that indeed they were interviewing to hire an operations manager but they had not budgeted or agreed to pay ANY placement fees and if hired, I would have to “settle” with the placement firm myself. THE FEE WOULD HAVE BEEN $26,000!!!!! The HR representative told me that she had received a “cold call” from the headhunter who had nearly begged her to interview me! I was floored and angry! Under no circumstances could I accept their position, which was considerably below my skill sets and salary range, and I was not prepared to pay $26k!

    In March of ’06 I was contacted by JL Kirk Associates and went to the interview. In one hour I found out more about myself, and why my miserable job search wasn’t working than I had ever considered. The interviewer was a nice lady and given my experience with the headhunter I was very gun-shy.

    When we arrived for our second meeting, the office staff was lively and we were made to feel welcome. We spent almost 2 hours meeting with a Vice President who went into detail about their marketing services and answered all our questions. About 30 minutes into the meeting I asked if there was a fee and our representative answered that there WAS and offered to discuss it at that point.

    What we found interesting about the entire concept is that JL Kirk was offering to represent ME, not a company. They were prepared to work with me to make me look better to a potential employer. The most astonishing thing was they would help me find out exactly what I wanted to do. It never occurred to me (since I was with the same company for over 20 years) that in this new city the world as my oyster. I REALLY HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WANTED TO DO! The fee for their services…$5100.00. In retrospect given what these people have done for me, I should have paid much more. I can’t imagine why anyone in the job market would undertake the task without someone in THEIR corner. All the sage advice to the contrary seems to come from people who haven’t a clue.

    In less than 5 weeks I was already considering 3 offers! My career advisor helped me “find” exactly what I wanted to do, and it was a 180 from where I had been. Since I had never really negotiated a compensation package, I was clueless. I ended up with a very nice signing bonus AND a starting salary $11,200 over my former salary! I might add, Kirk Leipzig himself took me to meet the CEO of my new company over lunch at a local country club. The job was designed specifically for me. Without that meeting, I would have been just like everyone else…sending my resume for review for a job that didn’t exist.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that you get what you pay for! I paid for a service and resources I didn’t have. Over several months I’ve gone back to review and tweak my plan for the future. The people at JL Kirk Associates ROCK, and anyone who says different, simply can’t see the forest for the trees!

    BTW – I’m Jewish and wasn’t the least bit offended by the Christian atmosphere as it is truly genuine!

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